Salvaging science post CAGW

Richard Holle | November 9, 2010 at 6:28 am | Reply

In almost all blogs, the most progress is made at the tail end of threads, when the blusterous self righteous egos , and the clamorous flaming trolls, have lost interest, as the blog high activity attention seeking environment, they thrive on, has moved on to the next, and fresher topic.

It will be the same with the engagement of skeptics, when the flames and guffawing have died down, then the real progress of discussion, with the eye to advancement of a better understood basic system of how the climate really works, can begin to re-advance scientific understanding of the total process.

Currently there is a myopic focus on CO2 because of the political will to tax and regulate it. The real health of the climate is unknown in regards to most of the long term risks and benefits. Why we have ice ages, and where we are in regard to the next one, or if there will even be a next one, are more important questions to me, it is this myopic focus that makes me a “skeptic of the results” being produced.

I think that with the advent of no till farming practices, use of waterways and terracing, the landscaping of personal homes, and businesses, the urban sprawl, the return of trees to the prairies with the loss of the bison, have all helped to modify the extremes of the climate of the USA. These are the land use practices that most positively effect the resultant climate, in other countries they still have clear cutting of forests, (look at the destruction, due to vulnerabilities to extreme weather events in Haiti for instance).

The continual introduction of cultured trees and vegetation in suburban areas will compensate for the loss of natural habitat for wild animals and birds, in giving them new places to live in habitats with more real diversity.

Skeptics have their own set of unknowns, and new options to bring to the table, new perspectives will always cause the myopic vision to widen as it needs to, to see all of reality as interactive and dynamic as it is. Without the interaction of all of the forces at work in weather and climate being considered, there will be little advancement, or just more of the same slow progress, in finding solutions to the real important questions we need science to answer.

Richard Holle | November 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm | Reply

It is all about the extraterrestrial unknown driving forces of the weather and climate patterns that require knowledge of the interactions of the entire solar system and its responses to the changes in galactic background electromagnetic and particle density, and their effects on the interface between the solar wind, ionosphere, mesosphere, and even the Van Allen belts.

It is only with in the last several years that we have had satellite data gathering capability, looking at the solar wind and earth’s magnetosphere interactions, and most of this data is still unaccessible to the general public.

Many new areas of study are available to help determine the electromagnetic components, and their interactions on the weather produced on the earth, solar studies are ongoing at the fore front of knowledge, new NASA missions are starting.

THEMES outer two satellites are being repositioned to orbit the moon, to give them a more stable base of operations to study the interactions of the earth moon sun system in much needed detail to answer lots of questions the IPCC have totally ignored.

With the advent of increased knowledge of the extended solar system effects on the weather, long term cyclic patterns due to the transfer of momentum, and electromagnetic effects between the solar wind and the earth, the game plan will change and the “its only CO2″ crowd will be left high and dry, playing with their 2% of the total pie chart.


Filed under: In other online forums,Natural Processes — by Richard Holle @ 6:28 am on November 9, 2010


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